[00:00:00] Safrianna: Welcome back to Living Luna in our ridiculous stances where we are just ourselves all day, every day. Yep. We're so glad you've joined us here for another episode because we have like one of our favorite people on today and how in the world, like if that doesn't show her natural number, I don't know what does actually, because like we met this person super recently and like have just become.
[00:00:28] I feel like best of friends. So, uh, Tamara is a professional, intuitive consultant and astrologer, which is a pretty freaking cool job if I do say so myself. Mm-hmm. And she, oh my gosh, she has the most delicious energy downloads every. Every week I see her posts and I'm like, here it is. This is my post for the week that I'm gonna read to know what in the world is happening in the sky.
[00:00:52] So, mm-hmm. We are so honored. She has decided to come on with us and we will welcome her aboard now.
[00:01:00] Tamara: Hello. Hello. Hello. Thank you for that intro. It's so nice to be introduced. Yes.
[00:01:08] Safrianna: Mm-hmm. Well, we adore you. I mean, like I said, you've. Only been in our lives for a brief period of time so far, but the depth with which you can connect with people.
[00:01:22] So quickly, just like profoundly allowed us to open up to you and be in relationship with you and like connect authentically with you.
[00:01:30] Tamara: Mm-hmm. Well that is so nice and that reminds me something of the natural numbers. Yes.
[00:01:39] Safrianna: Us talking about natural, we would never talk about natural numbers. No. So yes, you.
[00:01:45] You're welcome to tell people what you are still, you know, digesting maybe your natural number if you would like. And we can comment on that a little.
[00:01:54] Tamara: Well, I just learned, I was identified as a number two, a natural number two. Uh, I still don't have full, like, awareness of what that really means, but, um, I was recently triggered in a way that only a two would be.
[00:02:11] So I assumed that I, yeah, it's probably pretty true.
[00:02:14] Safrianna: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that is, you know, that whole being triggered and only a way of certain energy. And I, I know that the idea of being a number can come with some resistance, cuz it's like, what kind of label is that? Like I want a cool name, like the star type system.
[00:02:30] I'm a creator and they're a way show and like, that's a cool name, right? But like a number, it's like, eh. So it's the essence of these superpowers. And natural number two is one that I have. Extreme closeness with my other partners of two. Um, some of my very best friends have been twos. Twos and nines are so similar in a way that none of the other numbers are with how we relate to other people, because the two is the mirror and the nine is the chameleon.
[00:03:01] And so, There is this intense, uh, relationship there that I, I, I was like, what? I found out you were a two. I'm like, it makes sense.
[00:03:13] Tamara: Well, you gotta, you gotta watch the demo. So I, I had the feeling you were giggling along with the demo. Very much
[00:03:20] Safrianna: so. Very much so. And I just have to say like, my favorite thing about natural number two is the cheeks.
[00:03:29] Yep. Look at the,
[00:03:32] Ikenna: so cute.
[00:03:33] Safrianna: Anyway, so we could spend an hour talking about how cute Tamara is because she is. But yes, like the understanding, the way that each natural number gets triggered specifically has been tremendously healing for us. Mm-hmm. Because for me, it's being forgotten or invisible or feeling misunderstood and I just.
[00:03:55] You'll watch me power down and everybody has that, but for me that's like crippling. Okay. For them, it's the shame when they are shame, spiraling. Like they go all the way to the bottom with it. Mm-hmm. And again, everyone can, but like, it's that specific, like how bad it can get, you know how much it can drain you.
[00:04:12] Mm-hmm.
[00:04:13] Ikenna: It's so interesting too because it's like there's, um, like ones can be considered critical. Um, and it's like, it's interesting because it's. Ones want the other people in their lives to like, um, like they, they might be more blunt or like, you know, just explaining an observation, but they're not trying to come off as like shameful or they're not trying to come off as critical.
[00:04:40] But it's interesting because literally everybody else, whenever they're receiving, uh, whenever a one is receiving information, they consider. It to be through a critical, like a critical lens. So it's like I'm not trying to be critical if I'm, um, saying something matter-of-factly to somebody or joking or whatever, like it could come off as critical, but that's usually not my, you know, intention.
[00:05:08] But then even if no one else has the intention of being critical towards me, then I will receive that as critical and then shame myself and go into a shame spiral. So it's like a very interesting like, Uh, you know, um, yeah.
[00:05:23] Safrianna: Yeah. So once you have the lingo, like, you know, you having just recently as my natural number two partner says, been diagnosed as a two.
[00:05:32] Um, and that's his sense of humor. Twos have a very funny sense of humor. Um, it takes a while for your natural number to really land. And I know there's a lot of people that are gonna be identified in our community soon. And so I feel like that's a really important. Thing to just point out is like this information can take like a month to like even begin to land.
[00:05:55] So the fact that you're already like, huh, yeah. You know that disappointment piece that's really real and like you'll start to see that how it flavors your day-to-day interactions more, and then it just sort of all starts to make sense. It's very, very interesting and in the making sense, is this freedom?
[00:06:15] Mm-hmm. So, What's, what's, what's it been like for you so far?
[00:06:20] Tamara: Uh, well I love, first of all, the language of that nine is a chameleon and two is a mirror. Like I need to unpack that a little cuz I almost feel, uh, I mean, something you may or may not know about me is that I wrote a one woman show last year and I, so I have, I like to perform and I like to be, especially in like, um, Improv situations, even where I'm, we're ing back and forth cuz I like to kind of go back and forth with this.
[00:06:52] Uh, I'm very quick, like with dialogue, I can download dialogue very quickly. And uh, so I'm seeing like that mirror thing, you know, that thing where you're kind of doing, it's kind of a dance to me, so maybe it's not a chameleon, but it's something like that.
[00:07:09] Safrianna: That's, It's so funny because, so we met in person in Sedona, and I had wanted to test you, but I didn't feel confident in testing people.
[00:07:19] The test for two is actually a dance because A two is so good. At lining up with the other person and mirroring their movements in the dance. And they're the only, yeah, they're the only ones that can do that because they, they, well, they're the only ones that do that naturally without training. Okay. Um, I should say, because A, anybody could train to do it, but a two can do it on the spot.
[00:07:43] That's why the two slide, that interesting slide through the middle is, Exclusive to twos that they can do it with, with ease naturally. Mm-hmm. Because of that pivot point under, you know, under the chest. Right. That low rib point. And so you dance with a two to see if they're a two. Cuz if you dance with them and you say to them, if I go, if I move forward, you move back.
[00:08:07] If I move back, you move forward. If I go left, you go right. If I, and, and they just, they're like, okay. And then they're just doing the dance with you and everyone else is like tripping over themselves and like it's just a mess. So I keep scooting too close to the camera and it doesn't wanna focus on me.
[00:08:24] That's the only downside of our video podcast. So, yes. Anyway, we could soapbox about this for age's. Tamara and I wanna talk more about you, so, okay. How did you come into astrology as like your work? Because that is so interesting to me.
[00:08:44] Tamara: You know, I have, uh, been absorbing astrology since I was a teenager.
[00:08:49] I, you know, I just remember Linda Goodman's Sun Signs book was an original way back when, and I actually studied, um, numerology was sort of my first one, and then I kind of shifted into astrology because it's a. It's not a straight line, it's a sphere and it's a, we are a sphere, not a straight line, and we are multi-layered.
[00:09:14] Multi-dimensional, and astrology is a mathematical thing. So it's all about angles and relationships. I just heard that within the chart. So you have relationships between your moon sign, your inner nature, your natural connection to what makes you comfortable, your sun sign, which is your ego, your identity, your rising sign, which is what other people see.
[00:09:42] It's like the sun rising above the horizon line. And then, um, and you have, everyone has. Crunchy parts to themselves, like, ah, that doesn't really work for me inside myself. And, and relationships of ease and some charts have lots of ease, almost to the point of laziness. And other people have substantial mountains to climb.
[00:10:06] And so I think for me, you know, I had a, um, not very easy upbringing whatsoever. And um, it taught me. The pain of it brought me into like, why am I here? What, what is life about? I had so much existential interest and I wanted to understand the workings of the universe and how I belong to it, and I, I describe it like we're each a cell in the body of the divine.
[00:10:38] We're just a cell and we're each doing our little thing inside this great big. Organism. And so I, I think I just was led, um, through the need to develop and grow. Like that's really what got me going. Just my curiosity about what makes me, me, what makes you, you, you know, how are people different and what are their, like why are some people so talented in some directions and other people in other directions?
[00:11:10] And how are people manifesting that potential is a big part of the astrology is watching how they play the chart out. I could talk about this for a long time.
[00:11:21] Safrianna: I mean, I'm learning a lot.
[00:11:22] Ikenna: I'm here for it.
[00:11:23] Tamara: Oh, good, good, good. I I'm learning a lot.
[00:11:25] A lot. Well, you know, no two charts are gonna be exactly the same, really.
[00:11:31] And it's. It's a very sacred design of you. It's like a sacred piece of jewelry that you were born with in your hands. It's like you're born with this, this thing that you get to build into a sculpture throughout the lifetime. And not only that, your chart that you come in with. You actually progress beyond those potentials into a whole new you as we move through life.
[00:11:58] And that's the progressions. So there's just so much to unpack about our human potential, uh, through this. Um, it's, it's a light language of sorts. Light is information, astrology is information. And once you know, Exactly how to, it's, you have to know how to open it. Because I remember years ago going for my first astrology reading and being told, oh, you have Jupiter in the seventh house.
[00:12:23] You're gonna be lucky in relationships. Uh, that was very rudimentary. Uh, it, there's a lot more to my life than that. And that was not linearly correct. But when you pop it out as a three-dimensional sculpture and you see like what I need to change in myself for that to be true, then I have a lot of power over the my own aspects within myself.
[00:12:49] Safrianna: Mm-hmm. I love that because you know, I see any archetype system or mapping system, human design, body of nine, astrology as information for us to unpack, to get to know ourselves. And we can use it or not. So I love this. You know, I just recently was literally last year, finally found out my birth time, um, because my, the state that I was born in, they don't write it on your birth certificate.
[00:13:18] So I had to mail in a request, please put my birth time on my certificate. So they mailed me a new one. So I was finally able to find my rising sign. I've never heard Rising sign. Describe the way that you just did. But I'm a Sagittarius rising. Yep. And that is so my live personality, so that makes sense.
[00:13:38] Ikenna: Fiery. Yeah.
[00:13:41] Safrianna: Big and shiny and sparkly and like, woo. But then me personally, so intellectually my sun sign, I'm a Gemini, and then my moon, I'm a cancer. So you know, me at home, I'm like, I just wanna be cozy.
[00:13:56] Tamara: Yeah, you want comfort and coziness. And also, you know, your moon is opposite your, your son. And so, um, you contain almost like a, uh, there's a polarity there.
[00:14:08] So people are gonna first see about you a very, a great big, uh, aura because Jupiter rules your ascendent Sagittarius. So your life is gonna be about the horizon line. How big can it get? The next big thing, the next big project. And Sagittarius is very interested in higher learning. Higher esoteric information, how, and Gemini wants to apply that information.
[00:14:35] So you are primed with these two aspects and you have many other aspects in your chart, but right now you're gonna be the person. Who's, you know, because Gemini is the, um, the reporter in the scribe. This is the person on the ground in the town going in the town square. Hello everybody. I've got the news.
[00:14:54] But GE and Jupiter is there, like, is in the universal sphere saying, I want the download that is the most sacred, the, I want the high information for humanity. And Gemini's like, Hey guys, gather around in the living room. You know, I'm gonna read you the news. So you had both of those aspects in one person.
[00:15:14] Safrianna: Kenna's having a meltdown cuz they're like, oh my gosh, this makes so much sense.
[00:15:18] Ikenna: Mm-hmm. Like, yeah, like I know that you've met and talked to Safi, but it's just wild to like hear how much you know, your, um, as astrology knowledge, um, and application of it is just literally describing all the inner working inner workings of Safrianna right now.
[00:15:39] And I'm just like, whoa,
[00:15:40] Safrianna: you're not ready to be called out.
[00:15:42] Ikenna: Oh, I mean, I, I, I'm, I'm,
[00:15:49] Safrianna: when you hear what they are, you'll be like, oh,
[00:15:53] Ikenna: um, we'll, we'll, uh, what, what should I start with?
[00:15:56] Tamara: Do we have some Pisces in, in US
[00:15:59] Ikenna: Two Sun and.
[00:16:01] Tamara: Oh goodness. Oh, that's a lot of mutable energy. That's a lot of fish going in various directions.
[00:16:07] I'm not sure which way I'm gonna go, but it's also the whale and the infinite possibility of total creation and oneness. Mm-hmm.
[00:16:15] Safrianna: What's your ascendant?
[00:16:16] Ikenna: My ascendant is Capricorn
[00:16:17] Tamara: Capricorn. Well, and that's a, that's a very, um, a good gatekeeper for all that, Piscean energy, cuz Piscean energy is very sensitive.
[00:16:27] And Boundaryless and just can feel into everything anywhere with anyone but Capricorn's, like you know here, this is the gate, like the gate squeaks. Like who's there? I know you can come in. It's like,
[00:16:52] it's like, it's like you have the big rusty key and you're like, you're like, okay, let me give you a test and see, you know,
[00:17:00] Safrianna: let me give you a test and see. Yep,
[00:17:02] Tamara: yep. That's the, that's the, you know, Capricorn has that, that ability, you know, it's the mountain goat. It's a very, um, it's a very astute, no bullshit.
[00:17:14] Um, it has its own ambitions and it's gonna get there. You know, it's like it's gonna climb and it's gonna get there, and it has high, high ambitions. But, you know, there's all this creativity with all this Pisces. It has a wellspring of magical creative energy. To guide Guided by the goat up the mountain.
[00:17:35] Safrianna: Well, I was called the GOAT in elementary school cuz my maiden name is Degroat and you know, elementary school kids are in fact viciously, bullies half the time. Yeah. So I was the goat. So yeah.
[00:17:50] Ikenna: And then goat means greatest of all time,
[00:17:52] Safrianna: so greatest of all time. If only I'd known back then.
[00:17:55] Tamara: I love it. That's perfect for a Capricorn Greatest of all time because that's what Capricorn needs to be.
[00:18:00] Number one. Yep.
[00:18:03] Safrianna: And then the natural number one kicks in with the body prime for shame, spiraling when they're not number one.
[00:18:09] Tamara: Well, because, because Capricorn rising, you know, Capricorn's aware of how it appears within all social forms and structures and, uh, hierarchies and, and it's a very, uh, very self-conscious of, um, how do I, am I perceived?
[00:18:25] Yeah. It's a very dignified, you know, and it doesn't want to not look. You know, be dignified. And so it always will be because Capricorn is, is dignified. It's very good at moving within social structures, very polite, very, um, you know, not, I don't wanna say golf course, golf. Well, you know what I'm saying?
[00:18:44] Like, it, it's a very golf club, you know, very country club, you know what I'm saying? It's, it knows how to get along with the country club set.
[00:18:53] Ikenna: I was raised in that. I, I, oh yeah. I had, um, we were a part of a country club for, um, a couple of years, and so God.
[00:19:04] Tamara: I'm sure you knew how to dress and how to say Hello, Mr.
[00:19:07] And Mrs. Hansen, how are you today? I mean, because I mean, Capricorn is very polite. It knows how to get around through the echelons, right? Mm-hmm. But inside, you know, Pisces, Pisces, sun and Moon would hang out with anybody, anywhere, anytime, like Pisces is just like, I love everybody and I'll just. You know, it, it has a lot less boundaries.
[00:19:33] Let me put it that way.
[00:19:34] Ikenna: You can say that again!
[00:19:36] Safrianna: I'm always like, Ike. Did I just hear you say such and such to someone you were playing video games with in a random match online?
[00:19:47] Tamara: Exactly. Don't, yes,
[00:19:49] Ikenna: You don't want to hear my life story?
[00:19:51] Safrianna: I'm like, no, sweetheart, don't tell the strangers on the internet your life story.
[00:19:57] Tamara: You've gotta talk to her. Yeah, you've gotta talk to their Capricorn Rising because it's just not gonna work with the Pisces. The Pisces has no gatekeepers.
[00:20:06] Safrianna: There you go. Is that what I did today when I like looked deep in your eyes and I was like, this is a message from the universe. Hello? Is that me talking to the gatekeeper?
[00:20:15] A little bit more maybe? Yeah. It could be.
[00:20:17] Ikenna: Feel like this is the message for the goat.
[00:20:19] Safrianna: This is the goat message from the goat to the goat. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So tell us about your, your three big ones and what does that mean about you?
[00:20:30] Tamara: Well, I have a Pisces Moon. So I share that Pisan Moon and I have actually, uh, so quite a little telium in Pisces.
[00:20:40] And then my son is Aquarius, and then I have a Sagittarius rising. Wow. So
[00:20:46] Safrianna: that is so interesting.
[00:20:48] Ikenna: You are, you are, uh, your, your Moon is my Well sun and Moon, your sun is the Nu Natural number two Justin's sun. And your rising is both Safrianna's rising and my partner Kristen's sun.
[00:21:07] Tamara: Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm seeing some, some patterns here in relation.
[00:21:13] Mm-hmm. In relationship. Mm-hmm.
[00:21:15] Safrianna: My, my best friends tend to be Aquarians. Mm-hmm. I don't know if that's true of like Gemini and Aquarian suns, but, um,
[00:21:23] Tamara: well, they have, they're, they have, uh, by sign they are trying, that means they have a natural, they're both air signs and, uh, you know, aquas is a little far out, little like, Just across the galaxy and Gemini's, like right in town, like, let me, let me translate all your crazy stuff and put it into, you know, words that can be, uh, you know, commonly understood.
[00:21:46] You know, Geminis, the magazine that translates the ancient script that Aquarius is into from hieroglyphics, right? Right. Yes. So, you know, Aquarius won't even bother to translate into English and the gem's like, hold on one second. Just send it down and I'll just. Type that out in so, so
[00:22:05] Ikenna: our life that's so funny.
[00:22:07] Safrianna: I literally, like, they'll come to me. I don't know if you know Julie Wilson. She's gonna be, we're gonna be doing a soul connection call, um, really soon. But she and I worked on a book project with Jess together. Um, we should definitely mention that this episode for sure. Uh, but she does these cosmic 5K energy updates that are like talking about the fractals and the different dimensions and like, My, my Aquarius and I kinda all come and be like, what did that post mean?
[00:22:37] And then I'm like, oh, this, this, and then I like put it in plain English words that everyone can digest and like, understand what it means here and what it means there. So yeah, that's, I've never known that that was a Gemini thing.
[00:22:52] Tamara: Well, uh, you know, so, you know, I have, um, a north node in Gemini and the, the nodes are mathematical.
[00:23:01] Points. They're not planets that show each soul what it came here to actually do. And so when I look and study at the ch, look in the chart, look at the nodes, I can tell why you were born and also what you bring with you through the south node. Now my south node is Sagittarius, which is all this esoteric information and wisdom.
[00:23:25] That is not very common in our young soul culture and my north note is Gemini. So my job is to write my weekly energy updates on a regular basis like you would the news and in common enough language that anybody can read it and understand it. Does that make sense of how we have to translate? Yes. And, and activate and, uh, not more than activate, we have to manifest or achieve.
[00:23:50] What our soul came here for, which is, I'm glad you've been in Monastery's, Tamara seven lifetimes, but now could you just translate those ancient texts into usable language that people can bite size chunks so people can use them in their daily life now.
[00:24:06] Safrianna: Yeah, and I mean, I, like I said in the introduction, I go to your posts to look for what.
[00:24:13] What's happening because I could understand it and be the person translating, but like, that's not my mission. That's not my purpose. Yeah. And I love how digestible and easy to understand what you put out there is because it's concise. It's to the point, it's very pertinent into what's happening right now.
[00:24:32] Like, I mean, I don't think I've ever been so excited to sign up for somebody's newsletter. I was like, yes, put that in my inbox every week so I don't miss it. Like, duh. It was, it was a no-brainer for me. So that's a really like interesting and, and cool mission to be focused on. Right now, I'm wanting to say my North node is Leo, and I'm wanting to say that it is the only Leo anywhere in my chart.
[00:24:59] Tamara: Wow. Yeah. That's, that's, wow. That makes your south node Aquarius. And, um, yes, I'm pretty sure that, and that's a, that's a powerful mission you have there.
[00:25:09] Safrianna: Um, it's either that or it's flipped of that because that's how it's Right. You're always opposite.
[00:25:15] Tamara: Yeah. Well, we'll have to, I won't say anything about it until you find out exactly what it is, but I think, um, because yes, it would be opposite if, if you, the north node were Aquarius, so we should find,
[00:25:26] Safrianna: well, on that note, that is a, that's a special thing you do with people, right?
[00:25:30] Yeah. You have a program for helping them navigate that. So could you say a little bit about that?
[00:25:36] Tamara: Well, actually, um, so, so I have containers where I, you know, of various lengths that I work with people and it just depends on what their goals are, what they want to achieve. Um, you know, I can help people with, um, business launching that comes from understanding their chart and then looking at the astrological cycles and figuring out when is the time to be most visible.
[00:26:01] What is more, more, most in alignment with what you're trying to achieve and we'll showcase you the best. And so I can work at different lengths of time depending on, on what somebody wants. And right now for our book launch, which I know we're gonna talk about, I have a special, just a one off. It's an introductory of reading on your north node, your mission, your destiny, your north star.
[00:26:27] The thing that we wanna activate awareness in your chart so that you can begin to achieve more of your destiny. So if people are in transition or they're like, I. Think it's this, but I'm not really sure. I can just quickly wire you up a little design of who you are and exactly what to focus on right now that will really, it really lights you up.
[00:26:49] Let me say one thing. Our destiny node feels a little scary. We feel a little hey about getting into that energy and we sometimes are like, uh, I don't really wanna do it. I feel shy, but it's the thing we're here to do and it's, it's gonna pull us, because the north node is like a, um, there are a lot of different ways to describe it.
[00:27:13] One is as a, um, The ancient way is it's a dragon that is very, very hungry and it wants to just, it's just, uh, hungry. I wanna eat this so it will pull us no matter what, and we will feel bored. Listless, I've already done that. I don't wanna do it. I have no mission if we're too much in the south note. So we've gotta go for the scary thing and we gotta take the leap.
[00:27:40] Safrianna: Okay. So I'm, I think I am. Are you are? I'm Look,
[00:27:45] Ikenna: I looked at mine.
[00:27:46] Safrianna: You looked up yours. You're like, I have to know. I have to know now. I'm pretty sure. The way I remember it, and this is, this is funny. My natural number two partners in Aquarius and my ex-partner is a Leo, and I am pretty sure I was like, I moved away from the Leo towards the Aquarius, like South was Leo and North is Aquarius, but I'm.
[00:28:07] I'm gonna have to double check what's yours. Yeah.
[00:28:09] Ikenna: We need to mine Scorpio, my north node Scorpio and that was my ex's sun sign.
[00:28:15] Tamara: Yeah, well often we're drawn but also repelled. It's a combination of things with people that are are, cuz we're like, because some somebody's sun sign is gonna be demonstrateable because the sunshine is like, yes, I'm this.
[00:28:30] And I will show you, and I'm not shy, cause the sun comes out and shines. Right? And if somebody else's sunshine is your north node, you'd be like, Hmm. Look at them. Do that. Hmm. And, and so like, so for you, um, So you're having a nodal. Um, the notes are opposite. You write note by transit. So right now we're in a north, uh, south node of Scorpio, and it's a very dynamic moment.
[00:28:59] Um, so every uh, nine years we get, so you're gonna have, let, let me just, uh, focus here. So you're meant to not run away from intensity. Or depth or very, you know, getting into the mystery of yourself and existence because South node and tourist just wants, you know, to enjoy and have the bond bonds and just sort of just enjoy life and just, you know, not have any insecurities.
[00:29:31] But, but the north node in, in Scorpio says, You're gonna have to live on the edge here. You're gonna have to be on the edge in life in some way so that you demonstrate an edginess to you. That other people are like, wow, that person's edgy.
[00:29:48] Safrianna: You're so edgy.
[00:29:49] Ikenna: So edgy.
[00:29:50] Safrianna: You're so edgy.
[00:29:51] Ikenna: I'm like, Tony Hawk Pro Skater is edgy.
[00:29:55] Tamara: Is that edgy? Are you joking?
[00:29:57] Ikenna: I don't know. I, I not, not
[00:29:59] Safrianna: very, not very. No. Try trying to be edgy. Yeah, yeah. Yes. My north node is Aquarius.
[00:30:06] Tamara: Oh. Oh, it's Aquarius. Your north node. Yes. Ah, so I, I, my sun sign is your north node. And your sunshine is my north node. So we each demonstrate the strengths of what the other is trying to learn.
[00:30:21] So if in Aquarius you are learning how to, uh, how to dance within the group and raise magic in community, how to create community, how to be, uh, a star in a community, how to. Um, apply your creativity where there's an enormous creativity with South Note and Leo, I mean, that is just so artistic, so full of creative joy and you're meant to take something with that and make it palatable to the masses.
[00:30:55] Or work with the masses, be in front of masses, not just, you know, dancing in your home, but have people have it broadcast so people can see it. Does that make sense?
[00:31:06] Safrianna: I mean, we were literally broad. Well, I was broadcasting me dancing in my living room to the knot masses, to the, could have been masses if more people came to our dance groups.
[00:31:17] But that'll happen. We just started them last week. So, Yeah,
[00:31:21] Tamara: yeah, yeah. And, and Aquarius is about the future and it's about, uh, futures that, that the masses can't see yet often because Aquarius is always ahead. And so it's like about downloading those ideas that will be beneficial to all of humanity in, in a, in a, the biggest sense.
[00:31:41] And so it's, sometimes I think it, you know, Aquarius is not very well understood by others. It's a kind of a different. Sign. And so there's a fear maybe of being like, you know, into these esoteric things and who's gonna get it and who's, you know. But you can always trust, because there's such arine with your son Gemini, you can trust that what you feel driven to do for your destiny is gonna be well expressed through the sunshine.
[00:32:13] Does that make sense?
[00:32:15] Safrianna: Geez. As much as it can right now. Just like natural numbers, you're digesting. Yeah. I need to digest this. Right. And that's like the cool part about, um, unpacking these things with someone who really knows what they're talking about because we, you know, we can deep dive something online.
[00:32:33] Mm-hmm. Um, we can get anything for free online, basically, that we try hard enough too. But, you know, I feel so seen by you as you're describing that. Mm-hmm. And that. Being seen, I think can be such an important component, at least for me as a nine. But, um, for many people of allowing it to integrate, like, oh, it's real.
[00:32:56] Like it's being acknowledged externally too. Like I knew this reality within me, but it's now being mirrored or shown to me out here too. And so it's like, A, a good validation, but takes time to integrate, if that makes sense. Mm-hmm.
[00:33:12] Tamara: Oh, it does. And I wanted to also say about the destiny point, you know, because our destiny is the reason we're born.
[00:33:18] It's not easy to go there. Like we'll just rest in the south node for a while. And the time that it matures is when we're 42 by the, by 42, we begin to be like, oh, I get it. I can be that energy. But up until, so, be gentle with yourself. If you sometimes just go back into the self node, you're like, I'm not doing that.
[00:33:39] And then you're like, you know, you're like, yes, here I am. And you begin to, you're like, let me dribble out, drip out a little bit of this good stuff into the world, and then. Life gets very exciting the minute you engage that north node because it's electric. It's like, it's, it's, it's, uh, ugh. It's ex it's very exciting energy.
[00:34:00] It's like the opposite of relaxed, but that's okay. Yeah, because you're building, you're building new soul material. You're, you're building a, a castle. You're building, building something amazing with this life.
[00:34:12] Ikenna: Right. That's awesome. Um, the, the thing that I looked at the north node on did not tell me what the opposite, and I'm not good at knowing the opposite signs of each other.
[00:34:20] So what, what do I relax into or like, you know, yes. Resisting us.
[00:34:26] Tamara: Well, if you have, it would be south node in Taurus, uh, south note in Taurus sometimes. What if you, so if you sometimes a south note in Torres. There's a love of, of luxury comfort, financial stability. Sometimes you can be born into, uh, into some of that.
[00:34:43] Yeah. And kind of wanna just relax a little, like, like, um, You don't really wanna be on the edge. Taurus doesn't wanna overthink a damn thing. Taurus wants to relax and have my bonbons on the couch, like, give me my yum yus, come on now. I wanna back rub. You know, it's all about, you know, the sensuality and the enjoyment of life, and that is something you also bring as a gift.
[00:35:08] And yet, you know, Scorpio's the kind of thing like I'll chew off my left leg and if it means I get to, you know, Scorpio's very edgy. It's very like, I'll die before, I'll let you take something. A Taurus is like, I will not die for you. Thank you cuz I like my yum yums. You know, so Taurus is not interested in a lack of, uh, comfort, but, but Scorpio can be like, I will sit in the, you know, I will sit in the dungeon for life and starve myself for this.
[00:35:40] You know, it's a very, you know, I will win this power struggle. It's just a very, there, it's a lot of intensity that you come in, and so you get to have some drama. Because SCO Scorpio rules some drama and it's like, it's like the extremes. Like I feel all these extreme things. I do not like this. Oh, but it's so interesting.
[00:36:01] Ooh, I like all this intensity. It's so intense. I'm gonna make this intense. I'm gonna,
[00:36:06] Ikenna: I'm make this intense. If it's not, I'm gonna make,
[00:36:11] Safrianna: that's where you're edgy is, yes. Is that your love of spicy, spicy, spicy food that you will die for? Is that your Scorpio? No. North node showing through? I guess so.
[00:36:23] Tamara: It takes a while though.
[00:36:24] It's not something that we feel, uh, you know, like. Like Gemini North node for me is talking, writing, speaking. I was very shy cuz I have a Pisces moon. I had, I was very shy growing up and I felt very othered as a kid and I wasn't very well socialized by my family for whatever reason. And so it took me a long time to develop the skills like, so for me, like a Gemini North node really needs education so they can learn how to use words.
[00:36:58] And talk to people. Uh, a Scorpio North node needs, um, needs to dori be risky, like needs to risk their comfort and stability for, for, um, to go really into the mysteries and find their deepest truth. Scorpio wants the truth and it wants to get to the very bottom. Of every mystery it can find. It wants to know it inside and out.
[00:37:27] It doesn't want just the surface. Hmm. And, and, and Aquarius, uh, um hmm. Aquarius has to be very experimental as a north node. Like you have to be willing to experiment and be out there on the fringe.
[00:37:50] Safrianna: Yeah. I'm always experimenting. Yeah. In all the ways that tracks. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh,
[00:37:57] Ikenna: I, we were laughing when you were saying about the, um, probably the, the two most, uh, probably like confusing and like detrimental romantic relationships in my life was a Scorpio and a Taurus.
[00:38:14] Tamara: Oh yeah. So you were, you were looking at the two, you were balancing the two.
[00:38:19] Safrianna: Yep. And you're like, what Not to do with this energy.
[00:38:22] Ikenna: Right, exactly. Because they were, they were all like, they were going,
[00:38:27] Safrianna: they were not aligned with the, um, the, the aligned aspects of the signs.
[00:38:32] Ikenna: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. They weren't taking it and seeing where they could go with it.
[00:38:36] They were just, it was k it's kind of like, um, Like, I'm sure people have done this, like you've witnessed this happen, but people instead of like taking the astrological information and using it as like a growing point mm-hmm. Um, they'll use it as an excuse like, oh, I'm just a bitch because I'm a Scorpio.
[00:38:54] Like,
[00:38:55] Tamara: yeah. Well, and especially Scorpio has like, Um, in Mytho, the mythology of it, it has, you know, it's represented by three different creatures. The highest creature is, is a mythical creature, the Phoenix. So Scorpios like really has a very wide range of expression. All of the signs have. Have it. They all, it's like an accordion, you know?
[00:39:19] It's vibrational. So, but the top, the top of Scorpio is, is shamanism. It's a shamanistic, it's a, it's, you know, high priestess energy. It's, um, delving the mysteries that w of life and death, you know, it's a very deep sign, but it can also be addicted and it can be vindictive and it can be poisonous in other regards, you know?
[00:39:43] Mm-hmm. Wow. It has the range of all of it. Yeah.
[00:39:47] Ikenna: I mean, it's, you, you put all of this just so fluidly and beautifully and like you sh like just the way that you're showing up, like it just shows how beneficial it is to, um, you know, do the, these consults, um, more than just, Uh, you know, go online.
[00:40:12] Safrianna: Yeah, go Google.
[00:40:13] And then you get this like 60 page report that you're reading and you're like, I have no idea what this actually means to me, or why it's valid,
[00:40:20] Ikenna: or, or like, you know, there's, there's a ton of different astrology apps, so like co-stars, like the, the astrology app of the, of the decade or whatever, and like, They'll give you a little tidbit here and there, whatever, based off of some, maybe someone who has just as much astrological knowledge, but it's like, it's not gonna be, um, in tune with like, they're not doing that based off of the whole chart.
[00:40:45] They're just doing it based off of what they know generally as, as it, so it's. Still not gonna land as much as like what you just did when we even just gave you the top three and then our north known south note, like you were able to pull out so much. Like that was incredible.
[00:41:00] Tamara: Yeah, and there's a lot more than that.
[00:41:02] I mean, that is just, just a, a little tidbit, but people are not tidbits. And that's one of the issues with apps and things. I mean, I think those are good for to sprinkle awareness of, oh, you know, I wonder if this is me, but for people who. Who understand that you come in kind of like with a mission from your soul and your greater being.
[00:41:22] Cuz otherwise, you know, it's like entering a virtual reality video game. Like, like, like, okay, I've got my, my whole my thing. I'm here and, and this is my play and my story. You know, we want to have as much richness to that experience and ultimately, We're multi-dimensional beings that are not a chart, but we come in with a chart more than one actually, and then we start to, to move it into this incredible like three-dimensional sculpture.
[00:41:52] As we move through life and it becomes more and more beautiful the more we activate the different parts of it. And you, you know, some people, they almost never like, it just the chart stays kind of flat, like, and other people, they pop up their charts and they really live bigger.
[00:42:09] Safrianna: Yeah. I mean, that's where I'm at.
[00:42:10] That's why I love to deep dive all this kind of stuff. So your Nath node in Gemini, bringing things forward. Mm-hmm. How does that tie in to Soul Alchemy? And you now being an international bestselling author
[00:42:29] Tamara: along with you? Yes. Along with you, my friend. Uh, well, you know, Uh, can you repeat the question?
[00:42:37] It's very exciting, isn't it? Yeah.
[00:42:40] Safrianna: Oh, just as I go, blurry. Again, I'm, you know, this mission that you have that you came in with, how does that tie into the fact that you chose to finally leap into this publishing venture?
[00:42:52] Tamara: Well, you know, I've wanted to publish for a long time and I've got, you know, uh, some books in me, let me put it that way.
[00:43:00] And so this was just like a beginning opportunity, you know, just love Jess and, um, love this, this, uh, this idea that we are here to create life. It doesn't just happen to us and then we die, right? Oh, you know, here's your. Here's your ticket to life and like, these are, these things happen and you have no choice.
[00:43:22] No, we're here, we're here to alchemize. And so I think that, uh, this project helped me look at where I had alchemized from my like script, my ticket, I was handed. And you know, that's, that's, I think that's the message for all of us. What about you? I'm gonna turn that question around to you.
[00:43:46] Safrianna: With my north node in Aquarius and this whole project.
[00:43:51] Tamara: Yeah, yeah. Let's tie it into that.
[00:43:53] Safrianna: So yeah, cuz I've never thought about my, my mission being aquarium, but it actually makes sense. So I'm a quantum creator and the, the mission of that blueprint, um, that is a, a cosmic blueprint, uh, based on some spiritual downloads that some that my friend CIA had. And so she came up with this blueprint system that has 12 different types in it and the creator type.
[00:44:16] We literally are fast forwarding into the future. We jump ahead on the timeline to see where we're going. That's in the highest good of all, and then we bring back pieces of that to. Share to keep steering the ship in the direction we're trying to go. That's basically the creators mission. So that sounds very, based off of what you were describing, very aqua northman.
[00:44:39] Tamara: Uh, it's extremely Aquarian, even the language you're using, but also Aquarius rules the future. And it, it rules because Aquarius is ruled by, uh, the modern ruler is Uranus. It's, it has quote co rulership, but Uranus is the lightning bolt that that electrifies you with new information suddenly. So that is all perfectly north node, you know, talking.
[00:45:06] It's very, you know, it's very intergalactic cuz Aquarius, you know, this the. Um, the image of Aquarius is, is a God or goddess or a God being that's pouring pour water down onto humanity. So it's pouring light and information, um, down to that are to activate. It's activating because yep, lightning is an activator and, and lightning is very closely associated with, uh, Aquarius.
[00:45:38] Safrianna: Okay, well that makes sense. So my chapter is an activation.
[00:45:43] Tamara: Mm, okay. Yeah.
[00:45:45] Safrianna: Really, I mean it's, it's the, I see you activation, like you are being witnessed by this higher force when you read my words. Mm-hmm. Um, because it was channeled and the butterfly wisdom, I think definitely ties into the north node too, because, It's this recognition of cycles and circles and patterns that when we can master as a human race, when we can understand these, these cycles playing out, we can leap ahead.
[00:46:13] It does move us towards the future because we're able to close loops that don't serve and keep the patterns going that keep us expanding and growing and, you know, becoming more and growing. I mean, again, like expansion is entirely possible for all of us if we all just mm-hmm. We're given the education to use the resources that we have on this beautiful planet appropriately.
[00:46:36] We could all have enough and, uh, yeah.
[00:46:39] Tamara: So something like, Sagittarius rising, and, uh, yeah, I mean, absolutely. I mean, it's, it's a wonderful demonstration of what we just talked about. You. I, I love it. I mean, you can't escape. You can't escape who you are. Yeah.
[00:46:56] Safrianna: Yeah. Uh, today I was channeling for a butterfly portal to go along with my chapter, and there was this, Uh, remembering of the egg, the blueprint that we came in with, right?
[00:47:11] We chose this blueprint. We chose to come in at the time that we did and have our astrology chart. And then in body of nine, some of us, you know, we have different beliefs of why we have these natural numbers, but in, but I like the concept that we then chose the body vessel most equipped to meet our mission mm-hmm.
[00:47:30] Here in, in the 3d. Um, and yeah, when you unpack all of this, It really just empowers you to live your life in your authenticity. Like, it's like, wait, but aren't you confining me by putting labels on it or by, you know, making me a part of a chart or a number, or whatever. Mm-hmm. But no, because it's the structure in which you can absolutely flow and create whatever you dream, and having that empowering information helps you get there quicker.
[00:48:01] Tamara: Well, one reason this is important too, is that when we come into a body, Uh, we spend, you know, a lot of time being indoctrinated fully by our social socialization process, told who we get to be, how we get to be, and if we are not, that we are punished by the tribal energy. Uh, By invisibility, oh, I don't see you.
[00:48:23] I don't get you. I don't get it. And what happens to us is, is we, we disappear in that and our sole purpose can't come alive. And so we need these activators. We need people to be seen for who they are or wanna be like, Hey, this is me. I came here to give a gift. And so we need to take off all that, that conditioning, because otherwise, You know, and so I, so part of these systems is to help people feel more like who they are.
[00:48:57] Oh, I see. You. Help them feel seen. Mm-hmm.
[00:49:02] Safrianna: Yep. And then we see ourselves, so, yeah. Yeah.
[00:49:06] So Tamara, if people wanna work with you, yeah, you do all kinds of cool stuff with astrology. You also are an intuitive business consultant. Yeah. So what kinds of people do you tend to work with? And obviously they can get in touch with you on the links on.
[00:49:22] This episode, so
[00:49:23] Tamara: Sure, sure. Yeah, you can always, um, uh, gateway is tamara childs.com and I work a lot with highly sensitive, highly creative or empathic people. Uh, also the empath, c e o. Um, so it can be entrepreneurial work that, that you do or creative work, but I just help help people kind of know where they end and others begin and just define the path for themselves and.
[00:49:50] Work a lot with, um, energy fluidity, that can be a problem. Um, sometimes we get too impacted and then we forget who we are and I just wanna help them. You know, I guide them to re remem remember who they are and feel in their power.
[00:50:09] Ikenna: Yeah. Wow. That's beautiful. I love it. Yeah.
[00:50:13] Safrianna: I, I love you and I'm so honored that you, you know, have come into our life and, um, that you shared this wisdom with us and our listeners today.
[00:50:22] I mean, again, like I learned so much about astrology in this brief chat today. Uh, and I've been dabbling in astrology and whatnot for probably like, Two to three years more seriously. Um, as a kid I was always like, my horoscope doesn't match. That's stupid. I hate it. And I didn't like being a Gemini. That was the only thing I knew about.
[00:50:45] Mm-hmm. Gemini and people were like, you're two-faced. I'm like, so this was very, this was very empowering and I love that you take it in that way and you help empower people to be who they are. Mm-hmm.
[00:50:57] Tamara: Yeah. Well, thank you. This is such a pleasure and so fun to talk with both of you. All right.
[00:51:03] Safrianna: Well we will catch you in our next episode.
[00:51:05] Thank you so much, Tamara, and we will talk to you all again soon. Bye bye.
